, president is doing neither. this is a game of chicken, which i think is designed to go over the fiscal cliff, and pin the blame on the republins, i understand why the president is doing it for political reasons but i don't think that the republicans have to surrender themselves in this game of chicken. lou: it seems the ultimatum, raise taxes on top 2%, why not let him eat to, it is his decision, go for it, if you don't want a mature, and intelligence, and responsible negotiation, you do not know who you are dealing with, it is called a constitutional bodyf government. >> it is john's right, this is politics, hard and fast, 1995 all over again, skes are high and and president wants house back, pin the blame on the republicans make them look like right wing lunatics and grab the chips, they aren a no-win position. lou: we'll be back, marianne has to weigh in and a bunch more as we continue with the a team stay with us. lou: we're back with the a-team, marianne, senator reid said he is dubious there would be a deal reached? >> now that everyone is talking about it everyone is more pessimistic.